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If Hitler Was a Vegetarian…

So you all know that Hitler being a vegetarian is a myth, right? Animal Rights Malta has an interesting piece which bites back at another blogger who states that ‘an animal lover’ like Hitler would kill so many people because “… some animal lovers are so extremely sensitive to the cruelty that humans continuously inflict on animals that they develop an extreme hatred towards humans.”

This is clearly ridiculous - well for the most part, I can’t speak for every animal lover – and Animal Rights Malta gives them a good thrashing with some comments of their own. Humans are actually animals, so it makes sense to look out for everyone that comes under the heading ‘animal’. Just because someone has a shred of compassion for non-human animals it does not make them a raving lunatic. I can’t say I’ve ever met a vegetarian with an extreme hate towards anything, we’re quite a peaceful bunch really. An interesting read…


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posted by Katie on May 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

I sorta do agree with the statement actually. sonce becoming a vegetarian i have been sickened by some of the things people do to animals. also i have been bullied and tourmented by class mates about my views and this has caused me to distance myself from the people around me and i have a slight hatred towards humans for the way they treat not only animals but for the way they have treated me.

posted by Matt on May 15th, 2008 at 11:37 am

I’m so tired of hearing “well Hitler was a vegetarian” from people who strive to make that their case and point for eating meat..

He was also Austrian - are we to not go to Austria or ostracise all Austrians???

Thanks PETA for pointing that out

posted by Susan Holmes on May 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

I always find people who try to use the excuse that “animal loving people are people haters” because they have either carried out animal cruelty themselves and wish to use this as an excuse to justify their own cruelty or that they agree with animal cruelty. Normal people would find any form of animal cruelty repulsive, but people who try to twist things into something that is not true are truely stooping very low. They try to make good, honest, decent people think that there is something wrong with them just because they jump to the defence of an innocent, defenceless animal. Normal people are repulsed by all forms of cruelty - human and animal, full stop!!! This type of rubbish will stop some people reporting animal cruelty because they would not wish to be labelled “animal lover, people hater” just because they are compassionate. We all know what the truth is and those who are cruel to animals are cowards. They pick on defenceless, living, breathing animals who are unable to speak for themselves or defend themselves against SICK individuals who torture because they are cowards and because they know they can get away with it because there are not tougher laws to protect the innocent. Lets hope there is a grain of truth with the saying - What goes around…………… I truely hope so.

posted by Matt on May 16th, 2008 at 6:21 am

Bravo Susan - well said

posted by Vickie on May 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am

Hi,Hitler was a monster.The main argument I always hear is animals hunt.Yes some do only they kill to survive.We eat for the sake of it concerning cruelty to animals it seems anything goes.People want cheap chicken look at the price chickens & all other animals pay.At the moment I
have a petition going at http://petitions.pm.gov/bloodyhands this is about the barbaric treatment of dogs & cats in china.
We need to speak for all animals.

posted by Susan Holmes on May 16th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

I shall give you an example about sothething that happened to me many years ago. I was stood waiting for a bus with a group of friends as we were all having a girls night out. Stood by the bus stop was a young lad (about 16 - 17 yrs) with some other kids. This lad kept lighting his cigarette lighter repeatedly in the face of his dog who was on a leash and couldn’t get away. I went up to him and said will you stop doing that to your dog, he doesn’t like it, and he laughed in my face and said “I’ll do what I like to my dog”. I said, if you carry on I’ll report you to the RSPCA and again he just laughed in my face and carried on. None of my friends jumped to my defence or told him to stop what he was doing and I felt helpless as to what to do. I didn’t know this lad and I didn’t know where he lived in the village but I had seen him before with the dog. My friends made me feel as if I was wrong to say something to him but I could see the dog was being tormented and I felt I had to do something. It made me sick that this person could treat his dog like this and my friends made me feel as if I was wrong to defend the dog.

posted by Vincent Smith on May 29th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

According to Mein Kampf written by A Hitler he ate fish and chicken.

posted by Louise Davies on May 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

I would also agree that some vegetarians become haters of people. For a long time I have loved animals and as I grew up and my eyes were openeded wider to the horrors that people can commit, I found myself loving animals more and hating people to an extreme. I felt that the entire race of people was ignorant and stupid; that nobody cared about anything other than their measly little lives. I still feel that I understand animals a lot more than I will ever understand humans. I don’t think we can genuinely say that “animals” and “people” are catergorisable in the same genre. Like other people here have said, animals don’t cause purposeful pain to their own kinds or other species. So, I must admit, I find it very easy to udnerstand the statement of “vegetarians are people haters because I am so inclined to feel that way.

posted by Ruth Moots on May 29th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

I hate the way people stereotype others. “Oh, you’re a vegetarian, therefore you are going to convert me and you’re strange” is what I receive a lot from people. I don’t mind when people eat meat so long as they know where it has come from and what has happened to it. I make sure that they have a choice to eat a dead animal or to go vegetarian.
But I have to say, the worst thing is when people who offer you meat to insult you. For example, I was at a party the other day and was happily eating and I would pass my non-veggie friends the sausage in bacon so long as they didn’t call it a ‘pig in a blanket’
All I would like is more respect from non-veggies and for them to realize what they are eating!

Another insult for me is when people are so snotty that they refuse to admit that humans are actually animals and therefore they can do whatever they like! Also, the excuse that predators hunt prey, even though they know that prey animals are not farmed in killed in huge numbers!

I could go on for longer but I fear that this rant is too long!

posted by Natalie on May 29th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Hey,
Actually I am an Austrian vegetarian :).
I also heard the myth that Hitler was a vegetarian and I simply couldn’t believe it, because for me it would not be logical at all. When people hear that I am a vegetarian, they often say “well, I’m not, but I don’t eat meat very often” as if I had reproached them that they do. I have never told anyone that I think eating meat is bad, although I think so, because I could not do that anymore and I don’t want to. I have to admitt that I feel more compassion for an animal that is being tortured than for a human.
People who eat meat often tell me that they think it’s “o.k.” to be vegetarian (as if I was interested in their opinion or as if it would change anything) as long as the vegetarian doesn’t think that eating meat is bad and that there is a difference between veggies and meat eaters (they would prefer a person who is a vegetarian for health reasons). But I can’t just sit beside a person eating meat without being a little sad and I think that there is a difference. Humans don’t need to eat meat, they can survive without it, we have the choice. An animal doesn’t. That’s why I often get very sad and - yes, it’s true - hate that so many people simply don’t care. Sometimes I wish evolution would have stopped at the stage before we got the choice about our diet, before humans started refering to themselves as non-animals and got so arrogant.

posted by The Little Yeti on May 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

Well, I happen to be an animal lover that literally hates people, because people have hurt me a lot in my life. Thus, it is possible to be an animal lover and to hate people at the same time; I may be an exception, but I am also an example.

posted by Ian L Rubery on May 30th, 2008 at 7:44 am

“It’s just you and your ilk” is the response to the people hater accusation.

posted by Matt on May 30th, 2008 at 10:41 am

Oh no, Natalie - I hope that people don’t associate you with events 60+ years ago! ;)

posted by Natalie on May 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

Up to now, nobody has ever associated me with Hitler, because most people in Europe know what Germany and Austria are like now. I mean there are still people who are nazis, but they exist in other countries too. Before going to the US I heard that Americans often ask Germans and Austrians what they think about Hitler, because some think that a big part of the population are still nazis. But nobody said a word about that (well, some didn’t know where Austria was and mistook it for Australia, but those were exceptions). And well, it would be strange if somebody would, because I’m very young, so….
But it’s still an important topic and at school the teachers don’t embellish anything about the role Austria had during the National Socialism.

posted by Tony Pryor on May 30th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Hitler ate a vegetarian for a time, it was over one year, to my understanding.

It matters partly because such an argument could influence what armies eat, including the amount of meat they consume. Don’t you know that the German army is still regarded by the modern military?

Your poor treatment of the subject may result in a court case in the near future where we consider whether mental laziness is a sin against empathy in the equation of how socially advanced you are as an individual, and what this means to your validity.

posted by Tony Pryor on May 30th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
posted by Tony Pryor on May 30th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Looks like the topic of army food was raised. I wonder if PETA can really talk to the American generals like Hitler could bring something up with Goebbels? Hm?

“In a diary entry dated April 25, 1943, Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a committed vegetarian, writing, “An extended chapter of our talk was devoted by the Führer to the vegetarian question. He believes more than ever that meat-eating is harmful to humanity. Of course he knows that during the war we cannot completely upset our food system. After the war, however, he intends to tackle this problem also. Maybe he is right. Certainly the arguments that he adduces in favor of his standpoint are very compelling.”[18]”

posted by Mark Giel on May 31st, 2008 at 8:33 pm

John F Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Adolf Hitler were all good people and had something in common and they were all destroyed.And of course Adolf was vegetarian.

posted by Mark Giel on June 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pm

One may regret living at a period when it’s impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume.But there’s one thing i can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian. Adolf Hitler. November 11,1941 Hitler’s table talk.

posted by Matt on June 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Mark - your quote refers to him mentioning that the world of the future will be vegetarian

If I say the world of the future will be filled with robots, does that make me a robot?

http://amstermatt.baywords.com/2008/06/03/hitler-was-not-a-vegetarian/

posted by Matt on June 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Oh and also this is interesting reading for those of you putting forward so called “factual” reasons behind your argument

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/hitler.html

posted by Mike Maybury on June 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pm

A lot of opposition from non-veggie seems to stem from ‘bible’ ideas.
So many people accept various quotes from this cobbled book.
They frequently believe that humans have a soul, and are therefore superior.
They can quote that animals are for us to control.
They forget Genesis, and quote permission to eat some types of animals, though they do not abide by the rules.
Vegetarians, who clearly try to do something to reduce cruelty, make them feel guilty, because they do not care about animals, as it is not part of ’scripture’. Hence they attack us, as they will often attack people who believe differently from themselves.
After all, if you believe that your ‘religion’ is the only right one, all others must be wrong and therdefore legitimate targets.

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